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WELCOME TO LAKE MATHEWS SIGNS ARE UP!

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2/24/2013 1:02:36 PM
Gavilan Hills or Lake MathewsReply: Michael D
And I suppose that this place had a name before the Spaniards arrived.......
So, are the Lake Mathews Estates in Gavilan Hills?
What is the population of area defined by those who live say, within 5 miles south of the Reservoir? I'm just trying to get a sense of how many people are here--and whether the signs are accurate in any way.
2/24/2013 10:49:55 AM
Sorry, don't include Gavilan Hills in Lake Mathews.Reply: BillB
I am strongly opposed to attempts to rename Gavilan Hills to Lake Mathews. The Los Angeles reservoir has no history or connection to the area. We receive virtually no benefit from that body of water. To add insult to injury, we pay additional taxes for LA's water tank!

On the other hand, Gavilan Hills has a long history. It was named for the beautiful hawks that abundantly soar above the hills when the Spanish first started mining the area long before W. B. Mathews was even born. We cannot let that history be obscured by renaming the area after an LA water tank we are prohibited from using in any way.
2/24/2013 6:55:33 AM
Population of LM on signsReply: Michael D
How was the population figure determined? Do the present locations of the signs encompass that population? If the signs are moved, will the population figure change?
2/23/2013 3:23:58 PM
Lake Mathews Area DefinitionReply: Tonette
The Lake Mathews area includes (in peoples's minds) all the areas around the lake, plus areas closeby that have like interests in the rural lifestyle. Not just Lake Mathews Estates. Also, if it just included the Estates, it wouldn't have much clout. We need to make sure our collective voice is heard. Having more of a collective voice helps in the case of a petition. AND, if the area were smaller, the others would be more in danger of being swallowed up!
2/21/2013 6:29:00 PM
Signs UpdateReply: Nathan
Michael,
    As of now, the changes have been submitted and are being reviewed. The signs should be placed on the Lake Mathews COI boundaries and at very least the newly approved Lake Mathews USPS carrier routes. I will let you know when something happens.
2/21/2013 3:45:46 PM
Signs are where they belongReply: BillB
Those "Lake Mathews" signs are right where they should be. They don't belong in Gavilan Hills, Lake hills, Good Hope or Mead Valley.
2/21/2013 1:23:38 PM
Welcome to LM signs, anything new?Reply: Michael D
Is there an update on the sign issue? Will the signs be moved to include a larger area? Where does the population information come from? Do our borders coinside with census tracts or precincts or?
1/12/2013 4:05:10 PM
PollsReply: Laurie
In many cases, they can be helpful.  In many cases however, without background information, they may not be accurate.  Something may sound good on the surface, but when the big picture is presented and all of the facts (or even opinions) are presented, the responses may very well be different.

1/12/2013 3:43:09 PM
Disagree Is Just That. A Question Is A QuestionReply: Cindy Ferry
I can't and wouldn't begin to try to speak for Hugh. I don't know if he was just speaking to the red print on the page before posting or if some of his posts were not making it through either. I know he's spoken to the issue in the past is all. Maybe you felt that because I disagree I'm attacking the person I disagree with. That would not be the case. (352)
1/12/2013 3:40:36 PM
Being Nice - Attacking Posts?Reply: Cindy Ferry
Questions are no attacks.  What attacks?  You have my posts and you can contact me direct.  Please show me where I attacked anyone in my posts.  I asked questions and they were questions I wanted answered and are why I asked them.  (227)
1/12/2013 3:29:17 PM
I will try to address all of theseReply: Nathan
WOW, please bare with me so I can address ALL of these concerns properly.

Posting Character Limit:
Let me start with the posting limit issues. I am not sure where anyone can say they have been denied for over 500 character limits. The site clearly states:

PLEASE KEEP POSTS/REPLIES UNDER 500 CHARACTERS.

There is no limit and RAGLM does not even have a deny option for character limits. This is simply a suggestion. Please check your actual reason for denial as it should say in the email you received.

Lowering Developer Fees:
Cindy, I am aware of the desire to lower developer fees as I have addressed that below. Please read my comments below on this issue.

Welcome to Lake Mathews Signs and Placement:
Laurie/Cindy, I could not agree more with you on the issue of placement of the 'Welcome' signs. RAGLM as well as myself personally do feel it is a potential fragmentation of our community and will do whatever we can to rectify the placement of them. Again, please see my comments below on this.

Mead Valley MAC and Supervisor:
I know many are not happy that Buster is no longer our supervisor. Fortunately we live in a democratic REPUBLIC and the people have spoken. You are always entitled to your opinions and all I can say is maybe we should wait and see if his words come true before we attack him for what we have no evidence of. I know I personally would like to be treated with the same respect whether you like me personally or not. I will say that in my experience so far with Jeffries, he has stuck to his word 100% of the time, which I can not say about any politician I have ever met. I am also aware that this can change at anytime and that it might but I can only judge people based on my experiences and the facts that I know to be true. I do know that he does not like MAC's personally but said he was not going to have that fight as the MAC's themselves contacted him as well as some of the community members in those areas asking him to keep the MAC's in play. As for a MAC in our area, Jeffries himself said to me he has no intention of creating one in our area and I believe by my past actions most know that I would strongly and publicly oppose such a suggestion.

PTP Signs of Awareness:
As for the PTP signs, I am not exactly sure how to address this nor am I exactly sure what the main issue is. I will give you some facts as well as my experience with the effort and maybe that will help clear things up.

First this thread was about the 'Welcome to Lake Mathews Signs' so please address issues accordingly so we can all stick to the facts of each individual issue.

Second, when I offered to donate my time to this community almost 3 years ago now, I was told by the then RAGLM members that they wanted me to help with a community website. Since this was something I was willing to do, I donated my services to the effort and found out after the first couple of meetings that the PTP was not the community group I originally wanted to help with. That being said, I am always true to my words and since I offered it up, I went ahead and created the PTP site. Multiple times I might add not only for no money but I also pay for the hosting of both the PTP and the RAGLM.org sites out of my own pocket as both efforts are not wealthy and I was asked by my community if I could help.

Finally, hopefully, I love my community, I love it staying rural and I will do everything in power to keep it that way. I however am not the only person in my community and I choose to listen to the people of the community instead of making my own decisions. That being said, the PTP effort has been a 5 year project and it was not until I voiced my need to bring the issue to the community was there a meeting held on the topic. At this meeting, I was told the organizer was welcome to come and speak to the community. I tried to give the public an objective factual account of my findings on the topic which had not been done in the past. I have also put up a poll on our site and found that 71% of those that voted liked the project and the other 29% simply did not know enough about it. 0% stated they did not like the project.

So again, I try to base my actions on facts and what my community asks of me. If so many are opposed, I would ask them to PLEASE bring it to my attention so I may be made aware of that.

I hope this helps clear up some of the issues here and I hope it helps others understand why I vote or stand with certain issues. I know I can not please everyone nor will we all think alike but I do know that I will always act on what I believe based on facts and experiences for this community.

PLEASE keep the comments coming but PLEASE allow me time to answer them.
1/12/2013 3:08:42 PM
Let's Try to kindness!Reply: Sandy
Posts are NOT limited to 500 characters -  it used as a guideline only.  The Posts that I have seen that were not approved were ones that were not relative to the original post or were ones that have personally attacked someone.  I believe we can all have a difference of opinion but not put others down for what they believe, be a little kinder to each other and remember that we are volunteers spending time helping our community! 
1/12/2013 2:32:58 PM
Selective PostingReply: Cindy Ferry
Wait, Nathan, this post, it's a good post but it goes over the 500 word, spacesand character limit. It's 1,965 characters and spaces. So, why didn't my posts or Hugh's go through?
1/12/2013 1:44:23 PM
Do We Need More Signs??????? I Say "NO!"Reply: Cindy Ferry
So, we now have signs that point out to folks that they are in an area know as Lake Mathewss and they now know the population. So, other than to point out that folks are now in a rural, habitat area, why do we need the SAVE THE PLATEAU signs? Can we call this Good Enough and end the signs in our community here?
1/12/2013 1:36:35 PM
He'll 'tryReply: Cindy Ferry
I hope everyone does their own research on the FACTS and comes to our meetings more to ask these questions. I will tell you that our new Supervisor has said he will try to make it to all of our meetings which I never saw from our last one without a special invite. I was also told he was recently at the Mead Valley MAC meeting which he also said he would be at. Again he showed up voluntarily not to have an agenda or make a speech that I am aware of.


LOL ... let's see how long he does that!  And all the MAC meetings too?  Why?  The WHOLE point of the MAC is to be his voice and the Board of Supervisors voice, gather input from the community and take it back to the Supervisor.  No need for a MAC 'committee' just the MAC he can just come every month, to every meeting and speak to the community for that district.  Do you think he's going to come to the RAGLM meetins after he puts in a MAC here?  If you offers you a seat on the MAC Nathan, will take it?
1/12/2013 1:32:09 PM
Speaking for my community-They speak for theirs-Dev. FeesReply: Cindy Ferry
5. I was at the board of supervisors meeting on Tuesday and a resident from the Mead Valley area spoke on how they were grateful for the reduction in DIF fees as now it will allow their local population to potentially be able to afford the fees and not just the outside development which could afford them anyway. They felt it was a good thing in allowing more local development in their area and potentially create much needed jobs. I also spoke with a member of the Mead Valley MAC who liked the idea for the same reasons so I would ask who are we to tell them how to run their community? Would we want outsiders to do the same for our area?

I speak for how I feel and what I feel best serves to keep this area rural.  The MAC speaks as directed by the Supervisor and cannot speak without permission of the Supervisor.  Read the county directive on serving on a county committee at any level.  Residents should speak their views.  I'd never tell them how to vote.  I might disagree with them.  That's their community and this is mine.  Former Supervisor Buster worked very hard to balance and protect our rights to stay rural.
1/12/2013 12:59:24 PM
Signs and communityReply: Laurie
As I stated before, I do like the general idea of recognition for our community, and defining our boundaries.

Looking at the big picture however, I'm concerned.  We have "Woodcrest" now recognized north of Cajalco, all the way west to Cajalco and El Sobrante via the MAC boundary changes.  Where are the boundaries for Mead Valley?  There is a lot of land on the south side of Cajalco between the "Welcome" sign to Mead Valley and the eastern-most sign for Lake Mathews.

What about the cities of Riverside and Corona?  Both of which want the land west of the lake itself, both north and south.  And through the Estelle Mountain Preserve.  Both have made moves in the past to that end. 

Is the sign placement another potential divide and conquer tactic?

Do we still want, and value our rural lifestyle? We are going to really get serious and have to stand up en mass and fight for it, if we want to keep it.

I'd like to see our community honestly defined, and set THAT precedent. Solidify our community's boundaries.   Lake Mathews Estates is not the entire Lake Mathews community.

Riverside, Perris, Moreno Valley and more, desire Cajalco as an industrial corridor.

This will set a precedence, and have a large impact on our community.

Our new supervisor has appointed a planning director involved with a company involved with building strip shopping centers and more.  He himself wishes to see more commercial development in Mead Valley also:  http://lakeelsinore-wildomar.patch.com/articles/kevin-jeffries-rallies-for-lower-development-impact-fees#comments_list  

And ask yourself - could this bring pressure to bring back the freeway issue by increasing traffic and so on?  And other issues?

Not all that long ago, Van Buren was a sleepy road through a rural community known as Woodcrest.  Do we want to become like Woodcrest, which is being consumed piece by piece by the city of Riverside, as Riverside sees the $$ signs?  Did we learn from Woodcrest's mistakes?



1/12/2013 12:39:35 PM
"the new guy"/Jeffries Lowers Developer FeesReply: Cindy Ferry
4. I am aware that our new supervisor is pro personal property rights and will assist in letting locals develop more easily. The fact is that the DIF fee has been reduced by 50% in 2009, which I believe Buster was our supervisor then so to try and pin that on the new guy is unfounded.

"The new guy" just said he wants to reduce the developer fees yet again: Click here: Kevin Jeffries Rallies For Lower Development Impact Fees - Lake Elsinore-Wildomar, CA Patch
1/12/2013 11:25:11 AM
Welcome To SignsReply: Hugh
For me, I think the signs are great and have no problem with the locations. They bring a level of recognition to our community. I, for one, support the companies and the names of Lake Mathews Feed and the Lake Mathews general store. They are a big part of our community and both provide a valuable service. I visit them on a regular basis.
1/12/2013 10:15:04 AM
Signs - Community - Thank you!Reply: Lisa
First of all thank you Nathan for a factual, concise explanation of the sign issue we appreciate the fact that you take the time to invest in our community. Second you are correct most everyone liked the idea of the signs. Unfortunatly the placement is not where they had been identified as going in. Once again thank you for addressing this issue. Most of the "Gavilan Plateau" residents identify with Lake Mathews and had expected to be included in the area designation so please keep us updated on your progress and let us know if we can be of assistance.   
1/12/2013 9:01:25 AM
Allowing Signs in our AreaReply: Nathan
I just wanted to clear some things up as I try to make sure we follow facts and not just our own opinions.

1. Buster is who approved the Welcome to Lake Mathews signs in 2011.

2. I looked at these signs myself and there is no advertising on them, I wish we could stop trying to confuse the sign issues up here so the residents can be informed on the facts of each individual sign project.

3. In fact our board of supervisors has told us that once they allow something they can not disallow something of like type. They clarified it by saying like type meant advertisement sign vs. awareness sign etc. So the fact that the county has put up road signs or population signs does in no way mean they can now put up advertisement signs based on this precedence. I have personally met with our then supervisor and planning dept. and those were their words.

4. I am aware that our new supervisor is pro personal property rights and will assist in letting locals develop more easily. The fact is that the DIF fee has been reduced by 50% in 2009, which I believe Buster was our supervisor then so to try and pin that on the new guy is unfounded.

5. I was at the board of supervisors meeting on Tuesday and a resident from the Mead Valley area spoke on how they were grateful for the reduction in DIF fees as now it will allow their local population to potentially be able to afford the fees and not just the outside development which could afford them anyway. They felt it was a good thing in allowing more local development in their area and potentially create much needed jobs. I also spoke with a member of the Mead Valley MAC who liked the idea for the same reasons so I would ask who are we to tell them how to run their community? Would we want outsiders to do the same for our area?

I hope everyone does their own research on the FACTS and comes to our meetings more to ask these questions. I will tell you that our new Supervisor has said he will try to make it to all of our meetings which I never saw from our last one without a special invite. I was also told he was recently at the Mead Valley MAC meeting which he also said he would be at. Again he showed up voluntarily not to have an agenda or make a speech that I am aware of.

Please take a look at our unofficial survey. You will find that 80% of those that took it like the signs. I think it helps with community pride. While there is some confusion with location and we will be addressing that, we try to listen to the community and make our decisions based on what the majority of residents want. Please keep the comments coming as we truly want to hear from all of you. Please come to our meetings and make your voice count.
1/12/2013 8:58:35 AM
Developers love welcome signsReply: lid
Who are we trying to welcome, developers? or the big rigs on their way to the warehouses? Signs are ugly, if you need a sign to tell you that you're in the Lake Mathew's area, after passing the lake, maybe you shouldn't be driving a car.
1/12/2013 8:07:37 AM
Once they allow one, they have to allow othersReply: Cindy Ferry
We just opened the door to more of the same.  Look for the Payless Shoe signs and the Shop Walmart signs soon to come.  They jumped RIGHT on these signs and wanted to pay for them to go up ... AS LONG AS ... you got it, they got to place an ad on the back side of the "Welcome To Lake Mathews" signs.  Our Board of Supervisors has over and over told us that once they allow something into a community they cannot stop others from also doing the same.  Now they put up signs and more will ask for the right to put up signs.  They will point to these signs and DEMAND their 'right' to the same.  They county will not want a court case and will allow them.  You also now have a Pro Development Supervisor.  Welcome to the new L.A.  More signs to comde!
1/11/2013 7:07:19 PM
Welcome Signs ClarificationReply: Nathan
newmanpenny,
      Thanks for your comments. Unfortunately these signs were approved by the previous administration in 2011. While RAGLM did express our concern with the location of placement and were told the project was shelved, they slipped right in anyway. We do feel strongly that this is a potential erosion of our community and only allows for further annexation and fragmentation of our community. We are currently trying to find out the details on the signs, when they went in and why the placement. Rest assured we will be bringing this issue to our new supervisor and will ask for some assistance on replacement. We will keep you all posted when we know more. Please keep the comments/posts coming as it will only help the effort. You are part of the Lake Mathews community and in fact recently accepted by the USPS. It is our goal to unify our community not divide it. We will keep you posted.

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1/11/2013 7:07:08 PM
Shrinking Boundaries?Reply: lynnesite
Noticed the shiny new sign on Cajalco and Lake Mathews, and was surprised it wasn't at the COI border too.   Why is there one at Gavilan and Multiview, makes it seem as if the Gavilan Plateau is not part of Lake Mathews?
1/11/2013 6:55:57 PM
Signs are cool, but...Reply: newmanpenny
I was impressed by the signs, but disappointed that now I personally have an ever bigger complex about where I live since I am now off Cajalco between where the Lake Mathews sign is and the Mead Valley sign is. I am in between land? (Behind the Lake Mathews general store, which must be named wrong) Oh well. Congrats to those of you that belong.
1/11/2013 1:31:25 PM
SignsReply: Laurie
While I like the idea of the signs, I'm disapopinted about the lack of recognition of the entire Lake Mathews community - and that the signs weren't put where the community's COI boundaries were.   Or at least where the welcome sign to Mead Valley, is, and at La Sierra and Cajalco.
 
Eating away at our community, again.
1/11/2013 12:52:52 PM
Welcome to Lake Mathews Signs are Up!Post: Nathan
Just thought I would let you all know that the County has put up the Welcome to Lake Mathews signs. They currently are only around the estates.

Locations:
Gavilan and Multiview

El Sobrante and Cajalco

Lake Mathews and Cajalco

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