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ZIP CODE SURVEY SIGNATURES SATURDAY!

Residents Association of Greater Lake Mathews


RAGLM Board > Announcements > Zip Code Survey Signatures Saturday!
7/24/2012 6:47:05 PM
You Are Right, Cindy!Reply: Gayle Geer
You are the Man...er Woman, Cindy! 

I do give up too easily. It was born and bred into me.  I was bullied and abused by my family since I was a tiny child and I have allowed that to go on all my life.  But, I don't HAVE to give up anymore. I don't HAVE to feel defeated by the slightest bad news. I don't HAVE to give up the fight before I even try just because I have learned from experience that our government hasn't been *our* government for a long, long time. 

I will stand with my neighbors to make this a better place for all of us to live in, even if the only obvious change is one different digit in a mailing address.

Thank you for sounding so many battle cries and putting your life behind them.  You are a great neighbor, my friend.

Take care,
Gayle

7/24/2012 5:03:01 PM
Not Giving Up The Fight For A New Zip CodeReply: Cindy Ferry
Never say never Gayle!  You don't know until we've tried.  I'll share one with you in the next couple of days as to why I want a new zip code.  I'm sick of every lower rated town, city, whatever wanting to lay claim to a good community with hardworking people.  It's the same old same old, ride on the coat-tails of others story.  They won't work hard to clean their place up but want more bang for their buck.  Their answer ... use someone else's money ... ours.  If our families didn't work as hard as we have, saved, planned and taken care of what we have, we wouldn't be here.  So, why are we being make to pay the price for others?  We shouldn't be!  The property values out here are not as good as they are ... in the good times and even in the bad times ... because of someone else ... as Obama would like to make it out to be ... It's becaouse of those of us that have invested in and worked hard to maintain our properties and our communities and the values of said same.  I'm sick and tired of dragging everyone else along for the ride.  Cut them off and let me steer my own boat!  If you work harder, plan better, save rather than waste, you get to have more.  To be pulled down by being linked to a community that isn't doing more for itself is wrong and we should be able to detach ourselves from them and stand proud.
If someone doesn't want the new zip code, fine, but that in no way means that those of us, and it would appear by the RAGLM corner signature outcomes that the majority do seem to want it and should be able to have it.
I'm also not sure their line about it costing more is correct either.  Distance has to factor in.  A branch office say out of the old fire station-now code enforcement dept. building or maybe renting the space in that new market they are saying they are going to build next to the Lake Mathews Market would make a better location and actually save the post office costs wasted now on commuting.  Maybe we will get lucky and the whole postal service will close down and become a private business and zip codes won't be around and won't be an issue anymore.  I'd take that also!
7/24/2012 4:20:18 PM
A Few Other Things About Our Zip CodeReply: Gayle Geer
I just remembered a few issues for me, personally (and maybe a few others).  When  I am asked where I live people (business and personal) assume I live far, far away from Corona (where we do spend most of our time when we are DTH (Down The Hill).  Then I have to explain where we actually (approximately) live.

Also, my insurance company and medical supply companies want to send me to Temecula instead of Corona or Riverside which are actually closer to our home.

There was another one but I have forgotten by now.

Dear Neighbors, enjoy your brains and memory while you still have it (if you still do).  (c:

Grandma Gayle

7/24/2012 4:15:24 PM
Thanks for the link to this pertinent article, HughReply: Gayle Geer
Considering the apparently high costs, it's probably not likely we could get a new zip code, either. 
7/24/2012 11:01:24 AM
Zip Code Change Denied In AZReply: Hugh
Strictly for your information. No for or against statements. Sounds similar to the Lake Mathews request.  http://www.usatoday.com/USCP/PNI/NEWS/2012-01-12-PNI0110met-zip-code_ST_U.htm
7/23/2012 5:29:29 PM
Zip Code HeadacheReply: Tonette
I can't believe it! A new friend of mine just called to say she's in the neighborhood and wants to stop by. She says, "I'm at LaSalle right now." I said "MoVal?" "Yes, you're in Perris, right?" I told her I'm just 3 miles from HER HOUSE (Woodcrest). She had no idea. I HATE our zip code.
7/17/2012 3:57:27 PM
Reply to Hugh's CommentsReply: Gayle Geer
Hugh, you wrote: "...Some even say they are saddened that a ‘fellow resident’ is not in support of the Zip change. I’m not sad that some might not like NASCAR or Formula One racing (I do). I’m not sad that some love Basketball (although I don’t). I live in the Lake Mathews area of Perris and that’s just fine. A zip code does not make ones life."

Hugh, I don't think you understand what is going on here based on your analogy. A zip code change is nothing like a preference with racing or basketball. Sports do not effect the lives of your neighbors. A zip code change does. In fact, a zip code change would positively effect the lives of all your neighbors in some way or other, including you.

Your argument that this is a beautiful place to live and visit also has nothing to do with your argument against a zip code change.

The only logical argument against a zip code change is it would inconvience you due to having to notify others of the change.

I do not know you, Hugh, and therefore do not know your true motivation in taking the time and energy to resist and alienate your neighbors who would benefit by your support...or, minimally, by your silence.

Perhaps you have loads of money and have no desire to reduce the rates of your home owner's and automobile insurance.

Perhaps you just don't have any interest in helping your neighbors with financial relief through a small change that will cost you nothing but a little time.

Sincerely,
Gayle Geer...one of your neighbors
7/17/2012 10:56:54 AM
The Last on Zip Code ChangeReply: Hugh
There's always an answer for everything, sounds like the current WH Administration. For me, I've never had any of the problems others are "up in arms" about. But so be it. I'm just not embarrassed about where I live. Other family members don't care, friends don't care - they just have a great time when they come out to visit, walk around the property, take the bridge to the water fall, a dip in the pool and a chance to experience the horses, a peaceful turn in the hammock or on the real swing hanging from a tree limb  - to them our Zip Code means nothing.
7/17/2012 10:31:02 AM
Background on proposed Zip Code change boundaries Reply: Laurie
When residents of our community came to RAGLM to ask for assistance to try for a zip code change from the Perris designation, the proposed boundary for a new zip code developed from the area where the COI boundary (an area where our community has a long history/community identity) overlapped the zip code of 92570.

For whatever it's worth (or not!) - I hope that this information helps to put the proposed boundary into perspective.

The effort on this, put forward by many in our community may, or may not ultimately succeed. 

But RAGLM does want input from residents, to see whether the desire of the majority of our community overall is to go forward with an application.  

Thus, the survey, and requests for signatures and letters.
7/17/2012 10:09:46 AM
More backgroundReply: Laurie
When our community began the process to apply to the county for a "Community of Interest" ("COI") designation to obtain defined, recognized boundaries to help provide some protection from the piecemeal annexation to the surrounding cities and, in theory, more input with the county when it came to it's policies and designs for development for our area, the developers of the Boulder Springs development came to RAGLM and specifically asked to be included in the COI.

The remainder of the proposed COI boundaries basically included the old Rancho El Sobrante policy area and the Lake Mathews Community Plan area that our community had fought so hard for in the mid 80s (about 700 people from our then much less populated community, attended the Board of Superviors hearing in December of 1987 when that community plan was approved).

Last installment to follow.
7/17/2012 10:04:37 AM
Hassle of a Perris ZipReply: Mlloyd
With EVERY conversation I have with friends and vendors I have to explain that no, I dont live off the 215, but closer to the 15 or the 91. Vendors automatically quote me more for the delivery, and I have to remember to mention to them that I am not in Perris...then we spend 5 mins talking about the difference between living in unincorporated Riverside County and the City of Perris. I have nothing against Perris, just I dont live there. I am tired of EVERY conversation having to explain where I live, based on the listeners initial reaction to my address. It is not their fault, because my address says Perris. Then we ALWAYS leave the conversation with a feeling of "oh, how weird"   so now I say, I know the address is Perris, but I am in unincorporated Riverside and the closest post office is in Perris, so they route my mail there. At least I can say that within one minute. But, I still have to say it about once a day or at times 10 times a day if I have a kids playdate. pretty annoying and tiresome.
7/17/2012 9:57:29 AM
Background informationReply: Laurie
Hugh, just a little background which may or may not be helpful.

RAGLM members met over a period of several years with the developer of the Boulder Springs development, with the goal to help to make it a project that all could live with. RAGLM took concerns took concerns presented by community residents to the developers, and provided time at many community meetings for the developer to present proposals to the community residents and to accept feedback directly, as the project progressed.  They did incorporate many of the community's suggestions into the project, and made some major changes from what was initially proposed, to address many of those concerns.  The community also provided helpful information that assisted the developers to deal with the workings of the county planning department process, to help to achieve goals that were beneficial to both sides. 

More to follow in a later post.
7/17/2012 9:41:08 AM
Interesting Zip Code MapReply: Hugh
Interesting Zip Code change map, especially the NE corner subdivision at Cajalco and Wood Rds. Seems to me when that subdivision was being planned RAGLM was up in arms for every reason you can imagine; increased traffic, higher density. It went on and on. IMO, that area is no more in Lake Mathews than I am in Corona. But hey, I understand, I get it. There are a lot of supporters there for Zip change that will help the your cause. Please understand. This is not a personal attack. I am merely presenting my personal opinion. A Zip Code change will not alter my life one bit - other than the hassle of making the changes necessary to reflect what? Two digits, like it's going to change the world. Plus, there will be no UNIQUE zip code by USPS definition.
http://www.carrierroutes.com/ZIPCodes.html
7/16/2012 10:16:04 AM
Zip Code Response to JimbReply: Nathan
Edited on: 7/17/2012 11:14:19 AM

Jimb

Thanks for the comments as they are always welcomed on this site. Just to let you know, While I am really busy, I try to find the time to read almost every post on this site and I approve about 90% of what goes up. I make it a point to read the posts and gather feedback from the community before I take any action on behalf of the community or even consider assisting with a change in our area.

Yes, your insurance rates are based on density as well as your zip code. This is one of the reasons it would help.

I am not sure what you are referring to when you mention an address change as that is something completely different then what we are trying to accomplish. As for the post office being in the City of Perris,this has no effect on our statistical data of our own unique zip code. There are over 200 zip codes in our County and only 42 post offices that service them all. The statistics in almost every database are based on zip code whether we like it or not as companies need a defined area to gather data from to price, evaluate the area etc. They use the zip code system because it is in place and has defined statistical data.

Our hope is to get a unique zip code for our area so we can benefit from all that goes along with it. We do have a lower crime rate then Perris from what the Sheriffs tell me every month, as well as less accidents on our roadways.

We have asked many times for community feedback on this issue. We have taken an unofficial survey, and our poll shows 100% support for the cause. We have also had very little if any concern for any negative issues that may arise from this.

RAGLM was asked numerous times by the residents to attempt to get a new zip code. We listened to our residents and decided to take up the effort.

Please take a look at the page we created for the unique zipcode as well as the Google Earth layout showing the exact boundaries.

PAGE:

http://raglm.org/newzipcode/

GOOGLE EARTH:

http://raglm.org/newzipcode/boundary.htm

Note: if the boundary line is on or right next to your house and you are currently in the 92570 zip code, you will more then likely be included as the boundary I created was as close to a USPS current zip code overlay map as possible.

If this does not help address your concerns, please come to a meeting or see us on the corners when gathering signatures and discuss your concerns with us. I am a very approachable person and am always willing to help a neighbor if I am able. Hope to meet you soon.

7/16/2012 10:05:36 AM
More Zip Code StuffReply: Hugh

What is important to one person, or a group of persons, isnot automatically of interest to others. For me, I could care less about thezip code change. I have yet to experience any of the “dire” results of having aPerris Zip Code. I’ve never had a delivery problem; same goes for repair-peoplefinding me. GPS’s have nearly eliminated those issues. Or, you can simply usethe old, tried-and-true method – providing good directions. Some even say theyare saddened that a ‘fellow resident’ is not in support of the Zip change. I’mnot sad that some might not like NASCAR or Formula One racing (I do). I’m notsad that some love Basketball (although I don’t). I live in the Lake Mathewsarea of Perris and that’s just fine. A zip code does not make ones life. 

7/15/2012 5:56:49 PM
Okay, let's be fairReply: BillB

The problem is not with the zip code per-se; It's the use of statistics based on the zip code for things like insurance and, like it or not, public perception. To paraphrase Bill Clinton's famous sign, "It's the statistics stupid!" Using statistics is merely a legal way of profiling.


I grew up near a small town where everybody knew everyone else first-hand. Judgements were made on an individual basis. You knew the bad folks from the honest ones. Those days are long gone, and now statistics are used to judge a person's worth. The trouble with that is that statistics seldom, if ever, tell the whole story, and you can tailor them to suit whatever point you want to make. So to make a high crime area seem less so, you just include a low crime area with it and the whole area looks less threatening.


If you take the Lake Mathews and Gavilan Hills area out of the "Perris" equation, it will likely cause insurance rates in Perris to go up. You can see why those in Perris might not be so anxious to change our zip code?


But what happens if our new zip code includes the areas of Mead Valley and Good Hope with Lake Mathews and Gavilan Hills?  Far better for Perris and worse for us! Be careful what you wish for. After the statisticians get to it, we could be in worse shape than we are now.


A better approach might be to work on getting insurance rates determined on something other than zip codes. But that would certainly be a much bigger battle, and I'm too old and tired to do it myself.




7/15/2012 4:07:37 PM
Zip WarsReply: Anne
Catchy title, eh? lol. Interesting post about costs associated w/ Perris address. One thing I will like is getting the local Stater ads - the specials on the ads we get now don't apply here in our area. The USPS delivers them, so Stater has no say in it. AND if the change affects property values, that can be good for sellers - though taxes can go up if the gov't thinks we can afford it in this area. 
7/15/2012 8:26:46 AM
ZIP CODE CHANGE EFFORT REQUIREDReply: jimb
TO NATHAN:

Don't know you, but it appears you don't read the posts on this site.  There are REAL costs associated with being identified as residing/owning in "Perris".  Can you not appreciate that the statistics used for any number of things like insurance rates are DIRECTLY affected by the area one resides in?

If you don't believe me, then out in a change of address with the carrier for your vehicular insurance for a street corner in the "WATTS" section of Los Angeles and see what happens to your rates.

The issue is effort required is minimal.  Last time I checked, anytime you submit a change of address to the USPS, the AUTOMATICALLY re-direct all 1st class mail and notify the sender of the change.

I respectfully suggest you do a more honest evaluation of the minimal effort required on your part in order to reap the benefits of being dis-associated from the high density, high crime rate, low income, low property values area called Perris.

You may not realize this, but the ONLY reason we have a PERRIS zip code is for the convenience of the USPS.  The Post Office that serves this area happens to be located withing the Perris city limits.

When we lived in an unincorporated part of Orange County between Villa Park (high end) and Orange (middle to lower class), the zip code was for Santa Ana, because that was where the main sorting facility for the county happened to be.  Many multi-million dollar homes were under to the same negative connotations as we are.
7/14/2012 11:44:31 PM
Zip or not to ZipReply: Anne
I agree with the confusion issue about our zip & support the change as much as I know about it. But I do not find dissenting opinions presented honestly "negative". I would hope that people in our area would feel free to disagree without reprisals. Otherwise every comment being an agreement of the previous one makes for a boring read with the same people posting. We are all neighbors, but are very different. We live here for different reasons. My deceased parents were among the first old-timers here, buying in 1962 & building in 1984. I've been here only eleven years. I enjoy it, but will only be here another year - expenses are high & on a fixed income we either pay for it or travel. I'll miss it. :)
7/14/2012 8:44:34 PM
Thanks!Reply: Sandy
Thank you so much for your help getting signatures with me today!  I really appreciated it!
7/14/2012 8:16:15 PM
Zip Code Change SignerReply: Tonette
Worked at the general store today. Got mixed reactions, mostly excited for a change. By and large, people are tired of the confusion our zip causes for delivery people, insurance reps, realty listings, or just plain telling friends where in the heck we are. I'm very happy to see the positive attitude from the crowd this afternoon.
7/14/2012 8:08:59 PM
Zip CodeReply: Sandy
I have spent my last three Saturday's sitting on street corners gathering signatures and talking to residents about new a zip code.  EVERYONE was more than thrilled to sign.  Heard various reasons from them on why they wanted it.  Location and identity were the most common reasons.  They told us that it is confusing to repairmen or delivery people because they don't even live near Perris. Others told us that their insurance rates were higher because they lived in a 'high density' area!  High Density-- we live in a 'rural' area, but the insurance company went by zip code.  One resident said she was sent to Kaiser Hospital in Moreno Valley because it was close to Perris when, in fact, Kaiser in Riverside was much, much closer.  Most said they are tired of telling people that they DON'T live in Perris!

Tomorrow when my main computer is up and running, I will get the list  


7/14/2012 5:12:27 PM
Zip Code Survey Signatures Saturday! Reply: edavis
I find this negativity very sad especially from a fellow resident. Why would someone not want a positive change for their community? Change takes effort and money. Notification will be an obstacle BUT a very small one and will be so beneficial to ALL of US in the end. I would like to thank everyone who is making the effort to change our community for the better. Your efforts do not go unnoticed and are greatly appreciated by the residents of the future NEW ZIP CODE! Thanks again from the bottom of my heart!! 
7/14/2012 4:17:01 PM
The Cost of Zip Code ChangeReply: Hugh

It will be interesting to see if my letter, which is not insupport of the zip code change, actually makes it to our Postmaster. I’m notexcited about what it’s going to take/cost to make a frivolous change so someresidents can “feel” better about their zip code. There are hundreds ofwebsites, companies, credit card companies, investment institutions, healthcare, Social Security, personal security, driver license – the list goes onforever that will need notification. It doesn’t happen automatically folks.

7/13/2012 7:55:33 PM
Zip Code Survey Signatures Saturday!Post: Nathan
RAGLM will be at the Lake Mathews General Store tomorrow 7-14-12 between 11:00 - 3:00. Hope to see some of you there. If you have letters, please bring them too.
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