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RAGLM Board > Announcements > Aspiring Family Looking to move to GLM Area
3/13/2013 5:33:53 PM
More input for SeanReply: Laurie
This is a community that values it's rural lifestyle.  Dark night skies, animal keeping, community atmosphere and so much more.

We do have to be active at the county level and higher, continuously educating our elected officials that not everyone can, or wants to live in a city.  That not everyone wants street lights, billboards, concrete sidewalks, a 7-11 or a fast-food joint, or a gas station on every corner.  Or that small lots next to large lots are compatible. 

To that end, this community has always been active - attending and speaking at county hearings, writing letters and emails, making phone calls, and signing petitions.  And most of all, staying educated about the issues that affect our community.  This web site is just one of the many ways that this is accomplished. 

Of course there are the trade offs for our chosen lifestyle.  But those who move here understand that, and are willing to make those trade offs because they treasure the area and what it has to offer.

As you've already discovered, this community is very close.
3/13/2013 2:43:04 AM
SeanReply: Tonette
Sean, I'll bet you're amazed as to how much feedback you're getting, but we're not. Thiys is just how the neighborhood is, very helpful and friendly, generally. Nathan, thanks for telling Sean about the RAGLM meeting that's coming up. You beat me to it. Sean, let us know if you need directions. :-)
3/12/2013 9:58:11 PM
Greetings, Andrea!Reply: Gayle Geer
We are ready to welcome both you and Sean (and future kids and critters) to our beautiful plateau. 

My husband, Jim, and I are happy grandparents who will be glad to be among those who help and encourage you in your marriage and home life.

Blessings to you both,
3/12/2013 9:49:12 PM
Home InsuranceReply: Gayle Geer
Great responses from our neighbors. I'm enjoying learning about neighbors I haven't met, yet.  (c:

Sean, something to research: find out how hard/expensive it will be to get insurance for your home, since you back up (and "side up") to undeveloped land.

3/12/2013 9:23:20 AM
SeanReply: Laurie
Welcome to the community. We are Orange County escapees and have lived in the area for the past 25 years-we love it here. We have lots of wildlife. Coyotes, possums, bobcats, hawks, rabbits, snakes and ground squirrels are all very common. We also have the occasional eagle, deer, and mountain lion roam through. We use a riding lawnmower, weedeater and a medium sized tractor to maintain the level parts of our property. We occasionally hire a local business to help maintain the slopes. Our property is a hair over 3 acres, with a minuscule lawn, a number of trees, a few plants, and horse facilities. The back acre is left mostly natural, but is thinned regularly/ cleared every couple of years because of fire danger. We've used Pedley for propane the entire 25 years here. Service has been good until recently, and we ourselves are looking to change. WMWD water is on a tier system: be aware of your useage-if you use more than they decide that you should, the cost can go up dramatically. Small pets should not be outside unattended, or should be indoor only because of the wildlife, of course. We are subject to an annual state fire fee here. We adhere to a personal "five gallon rule". When we head "up the hill", we have at least five gallons in the gas tank. We also keep a gas can full at home, for the lawn mower, etc- and for the occasional visitor who forgets to check their tank on the way up. I'll add more comments, later.
3/12/2013 9:01:36 AM
Living on The HillReply: Nathan
Welcome to the area. We are a close knit community and love the rural living and strive to keep it that way. As for myself, I do a lot of the maintenance and up keep myself so as for cost of hiring help on landscaping, I am unable to help on that.

I have owned a 1 acre property and now live on a 5 acre property. My property is also the last one before the hills. I have a Coyote den about 30 feet from my fence and my dogs go crazy every night. Neighbors do lose dogs, cats etc. so make sure at night you keep them in. Coyotes have jumped my 5' fence and have eaten 2 of my chickens as well (I let them roam mostly). Rabbits are my biggest problem as I can not seem to plant anything without it disappearing in a day or two. Rabbits tend to stay away from spikey and milky plants, FYI.

Landscaping and Bills:
With no landscaping, you can expect to pay somewhere around $100 for water. I have a family of four and am usually around that price. Our pumping charges are ridiculous so if you have means to put in a well, it might be a good idea. As for County weed abatement, non that I know of except if you do not do it, they will come out and do it then fine you for it, we are high fire danger out here. If you are coming from Natural Gas to Propane, I can not stress enough how much more expensive propane is. Make sure you pay attention as this will kill your budget. Simple story, I lived on NatGas for many years, kept my house at 73 in the winter bill was never more than $100/month at most. Moved to this side on propane kept my house at 73 and I went through $1600 worth of propane in the first 3 months.

There are many options for Solar in So. Cal right now and as for well drilling, I am unsure myself at the moment but I would suggest doing a little research first. Propane, hands down Allstate, I have shopped many times and no one can beat their prices period.

I myself have had no gas siphoning problems but have heard about it. I have a big dog who is a great guard dog, my property is fully fenced and locked so it may act as a deterrant. As stated above, permits can be difficult due to the MSHCP but that has recently changed too. You may want to check with the county on that one. Dirt bikes are part of the territory, while some prefer horses and others prefer dirt bikes, this community is big enough for all of us, we just hope that those that choose to ride are respectful of the habitat and the neighbors. As for guns, there is a lot of BLM land up here and if you own 5 acres+ you can shoot/hunt on your property as well so you will hear that from time to time as well. I would not say it is a problem provided everyone remains respectful of others, most neighbors up here are kind and understand rural living, this is why they are here.

Place to Live:
I grew up in OC and also lived in Montana for a couple years. I can tell you, this is the closest I have found to rural country living in Southern California and I honestly would not want to live anywhere else in Southern California. I also lived in Norco for 2 years off Sixth and Pedley, loved it too but it is more dense and Lake Mathews is much more spread out and in my opinion mire peaceful. Great place to raise kids, I have two little ones as well and am happy I can provide this quality of life for them. You asked about crime, I can tell you this area is unique and we do not have a lot of crime fortunately mostly property theft. This will happen anywhere though and I would not be too worried about it up here, most of us watch out for our neighbors and know who should be in the neighborhood etc. Not sure what your stance is on fire arms but living in a place where it can take the sheriff sometimes up to 3 hours to arrive, let's just say if my neighbors and myself did not have guns, there might be more crime on my street.

I hope this helps answer some of your questions and concerns and we look forward to having you in our community. If you would like to meet some of your neighbors, we have monthly community meetings at the new fire station. This month we are welcoming our newly elected Supervisor Kevin Jeffries. We will also have Cal Fire giving us incident updates and we always have the local sheriff there to give us crime stats too. Please let us know if we can be of any assistance as I have not met a neighbor up here yet who is not willing to help another neighbor.
3/12/2013 8:55:14 AM
Crime Amoung the lowest you will findReply: Lisa
Welcome Sean & Andrea,

I think you will find our neighborhood safe and secure for the most part. Petty crime happens but with the strength of our community is usually put to rest rather quickly. There are things you can do to protect yourselves. We have been her 10 years now and have never experienced even the slightest incident. Since you spoke about an HOA I would think you are looking at Santa Rosa Ranchos or Gavilan Springs, the neighbors are friendly, genuinely like each other and definitely watch out for one another. We have large dogs that stay out all night and if they bark for any length of time we get up and check it out. Since I am a real estate agent I think I know the house you are looking at and I would definitely hot wire the side and back fences. We also have an area of large rock formations which we have fenced, about 1/2 acre. I have goats that keep it week free, I do bring the goats in at night in a 6 foot tall kennel, keep the gates open so the dogs have access to the area in the back and around the kennel and like I said I have never has a problem.
More importantly since you are just starting a family and schools may not have crossed your mind, I always make sure my clients review the schooling options. Homeschooling is very popular but not everyone has that luxury or ability. Private schools are quite a distance and public schools have their challenges, especially the district that services the 2 neighborhoods I mentioned. Anyway, welcome and good luck, it's an adjustment but oh so worth it!!!!  Hope this helps.
3/12/2013 8:41:15 AM
The neighbor next door Reply: percheronpattie
I was afraid I was typing too many characters.  My name is Jenny, my husband's name is Dave and we have two sons, Cody and Kai.  SO if you see us, give us a yell :D
3/12/2013 8:37:25 AM
The neighbor right next door :DReply: percheronpattie
Hello Sean and Andrea,
I live right next door to the house you are looking at.  I think that as soon as you move in and the house is occupied wierdo's won't bother you.  Sensor lights and people living there usually keep creeps away.  Just like everyone else up here using the basics to protect your home and family is enough and we have not had any gas stolen or things stolen from our property here and we have lived here just over 5 years although there has been some people around the place there since it has been empty that are questionable.  I would not worry about crime.  Coyotes yes.  : )  If you see me while visiting the home pop your head over the fence and I would be glad to answer any questions you have, that I can that is :D  Have a nice day.
3/12/2013 8:22:40 AM
Crime Rates? Reply: DesertLove
Hi everyone! THANK YOU SO MUCH for all of your input! This is Sean's fiancee' Andrea, who is ecstatic about moving to the area!

The only hang up occurred when we visited the property last night. We are a bit weary about property protection as the home we are looking at is next to a large open field at the end of a street.

I am looking for some input regarding crime rates. I have heard of the gas siphoning but would like to hear of any other experiences.
I have also compared crime maps to where we live now, Norco, to Gavilan and Norco surpasses the crime rate! I would like to start a family so my future family's safety is of concern.

Any info to either put our mind at ease or...?

Thank you so much everyone!
3/12/2013 1:27:56 AM
Welcome, Sean!Reply: Gayle Geer
We are so glad to have new intelligent and friendly neighbors arriving soon.  It is very smart of you to find us and ask us questions. I had many questions, too, before moving here 14 years ago but didn't know who to ask.

We live in the Santa Rosa Ranchos and are happy to do so (especially since we finally have a great board of directors for our HOA). Not too much crime here, but not crime-free. We have gas cap locks on our vehicles just in case.  We did have a car get broken into a few years ago. Some others have not been so fortunate. 

It is so quiet and peaceful up here. I love hearing the wings of the birds flapping overhead. We sometimes get a little snow over the winter months. We are usually hot during the summer months.  This is my favorite season with all the hills and valleys so green.  We usually have at least gentle winds all the time, which helps to move the smog that get up here further on. It's usually cooler up here year round than the cities down the hill.

I don't know the answers to most of your questions, but am looking forward to reading the answers from other neighbors.

One I do have experience with: up here people call cats coyote food. We lost the three house cats we brought here as they were way to interested in what was going on outside to stop them from sneaking out. We also lost a goat and two sheep to dogs who roamed the area.  Very sad. We went on to larger animals (mules and donkeys) and they were able to protect themselves from the stray dogs who nipped at their back legs.  They didn't understand how accurate these critters can aim until they were air bound.

Welcome to our area wherever you settle in.  Please keep us posted and let us know when you arrive.  (c:

Jim and Gayle

3/11/2013 8:21:26 PM
Living in GLMReply: Mary
Dear Sean,

We have a little over 2 acres in the area.  Our lot is all landscaped.  One acre is just trees.  We scrape the lot with a borrowed tractor or keep it under control with pre emergents.  We mow our 15,000 sq ft of lawn.  We hire help for $10 an hour to weed.  The front yard is xeriscape.  If you don't have a well water will be very expensive.  Our well cost us $8,700 13 years ago.  The water district has an office at 450 E. Alessandro that has many examples of water wise gardens.  Wildlife is abundant.  Rabbits, squirrels, coyotes, snakes, lizards, bobcats, birds.  Rabbits and Squirrels will eat your landscaping. 
We have propane by Alliance about $350 per mo.
Permits can be hard and expensive to get.  However with Kevin Jefferies as our new Supervisor maybe he could be of assistance.  One of his goals was to streamline the process.  You are more than welcome to visit my house for landscaping ideas.
3/11/2013 4:36:19 PM
Aspiring Family Looking to move to GLM AreaPost: sean k

I am a Riverside Orange belt native currently living inNorco. At 28 years old and having lived in OC for some time for work, I wasable to find work in the IE, and move to Norco and continue getting my lifestarted. I am now recently engaged and approved to buy a home and amdesperately in the hunt to “get in the game” as many older (did I say older?!?! I meant WISER) people havetold me!

Norco is my goal, but the inventory is low, cash offers areabundant and flipped homes are getting more than the asking price, and/or theyonly take 20% down offers.

Lake Matthews/Gavilan hills is my next goal. MY fiancéeLOVES it up there and we are both prepared for the “drive” to get gas/food/etc.There are other things though that I wonder about and would like to get moredetail on from home owners in Lake Matthews, Gavilan, and Santa Rosa Ranch. Iwould love to be part of the community and after searching various sites, I feelthat this upper Lake Matthews area provides some of the same community feelingsI picked up on in Norco.


The home we are looking at is on 2 acres. Large front yard,pool, even bigger backyard with no neighbor on the east side of me (leadsdirectly to the wildlife).

What are some of your bills for landscaping: mowing thelawn, rake, blow, clean etc?

With 2 acres of  ormore, do you guys use a bobcat/tractor/back hoe to do most of the work andlandscaping?

Does the county offer an weed abatement programs, likewoodchips? What do you guys use to help create non-water needing landscapes?


How big is the coyote problem? What other “varmints” arethere? Are rabbits a problem?


Who are most of you using for: Solar panels? Well drilling?Propane?

I have read some issues with Pedley Propane, and have seenKC, and all-state. Who else is there and how much?


Is gas theft a problem for people in the outskirts?


We want to eventually put up a steel building/shop, besidesthe HOA we would be in, how hard to get permits?

I have seen dirt bikes and heard plenty of shooting whiletouring by the nursery, is this an issue?


I know there are a ton of questions, but if I do not ask, Iwill not know. Knocking door to door would be my alternative, and it may cometo that if I do not get any foresight from members on here. We are excited tobecome home owners and are looking forward to starting our family as soon as weset the date and say our vows! Any questions answered, insight to the area, andjust general info would be much appreciated!

Sean K.

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