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10/7/2015 3:12:50 PM
Mountain Lions - SharonReply: Sharon
I widh you would look at the history of our area, the mountain Lions have been here a lot longer the us.  They will move on soon. I know you do not know me.  I have live here for over 25 years and have edited your posting. The Lions will be here when we are gone, so keep you animals in a sate place at night and keep track as you have been doing and let the Lions alone.  I have never lost a pet to the Lions and I have had a den on my property.  For one I am glad to see them back.
10/7/2015 1:18:06 PM
There are way more Mountain Lions around us than you knowReply: STEVE
This is a plaster casting I made while hiking in Harford Springs park a while back when I was into tracking some of the Cats around here. This cats prints were so big I went back with a zip lock bag of plaster and cast this print of a very large female and had one of her young walking along side it. 5.25 " x 6.25 " and that's just the pad width! One swipe and its done with its grocery shopping for the night. I see new Lion tracks every week around our property here, and while talking with the State Warden they said they have no real accurate way of keeping a head count on Mountain Lions. I stopped in the street coming home one night a moved a baby Bobcat out of the road, would have loved to bring him home. Usually we know when they are around our home because the barking starts far away and increases when the Cat is strolling by. The hunting area of one of these Cats are anywhere from 10 to 400 square miles and I have came across a pile of four small dogs with collars on a sure sign of how a Cat covers its kill and comes back later, I didn't hang around very long. I have also had the pleasure of being stalked by a big Cat down a Canyon, we never saw it but when we were hiking back out its tracks were covering our boot prints! If you happen to see one enjoy it while you can.

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10/7/2015 11:14:21 AM
Mountain LionReply: Maven
JoJo, do you know if the warden ever returned to actually issue the kill permit?  If so, does the permit allow nearby neighbors to act as well, or just the family who already lost livestock/pets?  It would seem appropriate to issue permits to folks in the general vicinity.
9/27/2015 2:18:52 PM
Point of ContactReply: JoJo
I have requested information from contributing NextDoor member. Will post if/when info is received.
9/25/2015 4:32:15 PM
Fish and Game WardenReply: Sandy
Jojo - Could you please give me the name and contact information for the Fish and Game Warden or person that came out.  We would love to have a representative come and speak at our November 18th RAGLM General Meeting as this person has direct knowledge of what is happening up here.  Since we are having Animal Control speaking at this meeting, Fish and Game would fit in perfectly. 
9/25/2015 11:42:59 AM
LionReply: lynnesite
There are several longhorn calves here that would meet a mtn lion's criteria.

Friends in Madera County last night trapped and killed one with a baby goat as bait. This lion had been indiscriminately killing and leaving the bodies since March, so not displaced by the fires. They had recently lost three goats in one night. Her mini horses were at risk, as well as other small animals in their forested area. A wildlife biologist visited, found tracks all around her house, and issued a permit.
9/25/2015 10:23:24 AM
Big catsReply: Laurie
When camping with my horses at a state park, we got a "short course" on mountain lions from the rangers, as one had been spotted in the campground a few days before.

Unless a big cat is sick or injured and unable to catch it's normal prey, it's typically not going to take on something as large as an adult human, or an adult horse. 

With my one direct encounter with a big cat locally in over 28 years here, a friend and I were on a local trail.  On a bend around a small knoll, we met face on going opposite directions.  The friend and I followed the directions we'd been given by that ranger - we didn't act like prey;  we stood our ground and maintained eye contact.  We didn't turn and run, which could have triggered a "chase" reflex - kind of like what most have see a housecat do.  We slowly moved closer together, and raised our arms to appear larger.  And we made lots of loud noise - we sang loudly, and I dare say, off-key.  That got a "there goes the neighborhood" look from the cat, who turned and left. 




9/25/2015 10:13:46 AM
Big catsReply: Laurie
Coyotes take lots of smaller pets, unfortunately.

In addition, hawks, owls, eagles and so on are capable of carrying off a full size adult rabbit (we've witnessed that - a real eye opener), so cats and smaller dogs would be at similar risk.



9/25/2015 9:35:32 AM
Lions and Big CatsReply: Hugh
If you were to live in the 'asphalt' jungle - aka track housing - this would not be an issue. But, being we've chosen to live in the 'out-back' so to speak we get special excitement. There's nothing new about mountain lions and bob cats in our area. They were here before we were.

We've only lived in Lake Mathews for 19 years. My personal sightings of 'lions' or 'cats' can be counted on one hand. I think (but don't have proof) the coyotes kill small animals like cats and dogs much more than the other group. Have never had a horse attacked by lion or cat - they've been scared by them but never attacked. 

Consider yourself very privileged to live where you do. Not many people in Southern California get the opportunity to enjoy our Country like we do.
9/24/2015 10:16:44 PM
Big catsReply: Laurie
We have noticed a large decrease in the numbers of squirrels, rabbits, mice, etc this year, that make up much of the normal diet for a big cat. I'm sure the same goes for the deer, etc. The drought undoubtedly has a lot to do with that. The loss of a major source of water and ground cover on the plateau for wildlife several months back has, I suspect, contributed to that as well, and limited where the big cat can travel somewhat. Hopefully, once it begins to rain, the cat will travel on to other parts of its territory and it could be a few years before one again hangs in the area for any amount of time.
9/24/2015 10:07:05 PM
Big catsReply: Laurie
Don't leave fog or cat food outside that might attract them, or their prey. Take steps to protect pets and smaller livestock that you don't want at risk, with close supervision, by keeping them indoors, putting inside a safe barn, or other safe enclosure, especially during prime hunting hours from before dusk to after dawn. We all live in a rural area with wildlife; we enjoy that, or we wouldn't live here. Understand, and respect the wildlife.
9/24/2015 9:49:59 PM
Mountain LionReply: Mike + Lunden
Glad you got somewhere with fish and game. I was only in touch with the wildlife biologist after it killed my cat and dog. All he was interested in doing is talking to us about lions and their habits, etc. Everyone be safe, alert, and take extra precautions to avoid any contact with it!
9/24/2015 9:49:52 PM
TonetteReply: Laurie
Here are some basics about Bobcats; http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/animals/mammals/bobcat/ They average 11-30 pounds, about twice the size of the average house cat. Normal diet includes mice, birds, rabbits and similar. The ones that used to travel through our property to hunt in the lot next door-the older ones avoided us (would run away if they saw us) the smaller, younger ones seemed to realize that we meant them no harm and tolerated us fairly close before moving off. We were never threatened-but then, we are adults, of course.
9/24/2015 9:22:39 PM
Posted on NextDoor 9/23Reply: JoJo
This is an email blasted up in our neighborhood. Incident happened on Via Liago which backs to giant hill by nursery...so this mountain lion is most likely the one who lives on the hill.. .. This afternoon our dog, Rascal (55 lbs) was killed on our property by some large predator. Jeff found tracks that were 3/4 length of his yard boots and made by a single animal. I contacted Fish and Game and a report was filed. After a description of the wounds the Warden declared it was a mountain lion. We were told that they normally leave humans and large animals (horses etc) alone but we should be aware that it could hang around here most particularly after a kill. Based on this Game Wardens are coming out to issue us a kill permit so we can protect our animals. Please take extra precautions with your dog's and animals. Hopefully this lion will move on or be taken care of quickly.
8/30/2015 4:05:42 PM
Lion QuestionsReply: Tonette
Questions: 1) ThiS of you who have had sightings of any predator, especially lions, what time of day? 2) Can a bobcat carry off a sizable pet or toddler?
8/27/2015 3:49:01 PM
MOUNTAIN LIONReply: JB
I am curious to know if anyone was able to tell the sex of the cat spotted in the area. 

I don't know the behavior patterns of mt. lions ...just wonder if a female might be more aggressive than male or vice versa.   I know that they can cover a large distance in a short amount of time...so I am not feeling even remotely at a safe distance from where it was spotted!

Worried regardless ...  (especially for the homeless in the area)
8/27/2015 12:09:06 PM
First sightingReply: STEVE&TRACY
April 30, 2015, my cat, Adella was killed by a montain lion( see post below). In the wild, mountain lions have a range of over 200 square miles. I'm on High Country/Olive near Lake Mathews/Gavilan roads.
8/27/2015 12:03:58 PM
mountain lionReply: Beverley
Just a reminder about protecting your pets.  When I lived in Wrightwood we had bears and a rare lion visit.  It jumped over a 6' high fence from a walk and then kept walking by.  So your 5 foot or less fence is no problem for these big cats.  We are living in their yard...
8/27/2015 11:37:20 AM
LionReply: cinder465
If this guy is around an relaxed..maybe you can get a photo and post. Would love to see what we are dealing with. I am only a few blocks as the crow flies. I can put the picture on the page of a news crew person I know!
8/27/2015 11:03:30 AM
LionReply: Maven
Wow, thanks for the info.  Do you by chance have any info on where the first sighting/attack was?  Same general area?
8/26/2015 10:07:28 PM
Mountain LionReply: Mike + Lunden
Lion is still lurking in our neighborhood. He was stalking our goats last night. We tried to scare it off but he just lazily walked toward the holds and then just stared back at us. Several more pets have gone missing this month. Dept. of Fish and Wildlife have been no help at all. So anyone within a few miles of Calijco/Kirkpatrick should be extra cautious and take extra measure to secure and protect pets!
8/13/2015 11:54:12 AM
Thank you --Reply: Karen
Thank you . I'm so sorry for everyone's loss. I'm worried about my pets and kids and those belonging to others . I'm not very familiar with mountain lion characteristics but from what I've read online this isn't good getting so close to people. Again so sorry for your loss I can't stop thinking about what's happened and thank you for keeping us informed .
8/13/2015 11:33:42 AM
Lion AttacksReply: Mike + Lunden
Yes both me and my neighbor filed reports with fish and game. Waiting for a response.
8/13/2015 10:22:43 AM
Do the attacks get reported ? Reply: Karen
With all of the mountain lion attacks I was wondering if anyone reports these to the California Dept of Fish and Wildlife ?
8/11/2015 1:10:39 AM
Tears for lost animalsReply: Gayle Geer
I am so sad for those who have lost their precious companions to mountain lions, bobcats and coyotes. My heart goes out to you.  

I know your pain; years ago we lost several companions to local predators, too. Our last one, our 14 yo Golden, died peacefully. We haven't had any others since. 

Take care,
Gayle
8/10/2015 7:44:35 PM
Mountain LionReply: Mike + Lunden
On Saturday 8/1 our cat went missing. We looked all day for him Sunday with no luck. On Sunday night I was on my porch fixing my screen door and my 3 dogs where in my driveway area. I couldn't fix the door so I called them in. When they turned to come in a mountain lion who was hiding across the road pounced on my littlest dog. I took off screaming and running toward it (approx 50-60 feet away). My other two dogs tried to hold on to it but it so so much bigger and stronger than my 85 pound dog that it easily ran away with my dog. My big dog took off after it but it was so fast it was way ahead of him. So we lost two animals in two days. Our next door neighbor also lost her cat to the lion a few days before us. Prints, skat, and seeing it confirm its not the coyotes this time. We live off Cajalco/Kirkpatrick.
8/6/2015 2:46:50 PM
Bobcat tooReply: Brenda
About two years ago my husband and I were on our morning walk and saw a bobcat jump a fence in the horse trail behind western crest. Then about a month later early in the morning one trotted out of the same trail in front of me. I didn't have the presence of mind to take a picture I was so shocked, but it definitely was a bobcat.
8/6/2015 12:04:11 PM
of dogs and CoyotesReply: Michelle Randall
In my 20's, I worked at the old McCarty TB ranch located close to where Estelle Mtn Rd now exits onto Lake Mathew Drive. One morning, while I was riding colts in the round pen, Ms McCarty came to tell me a coyote had taken my little dog right out of the yard with three humans in sight. The dog weighed about 30 lbs, and with so many people around the coyote didn't try to make a kill, but just picked her up and ran off with her. Ms  McCarty waved me toward a trail through the Junipers and being young and tough, I ran off after the Coyote.  The dog lucked out!  I found her about 100' down the trail, cowed between two coyotes, both determined to have the whole dog.  She required a few stitches and lots of consolation.  Another time, three coyotes attacked my dog while he was watching me turn barrels.  I got off my horse and took ahold of the dog to prevent him from chasing and fighting them (which would have been a lost cause). One of them came from behind me and savaged my dog while I had him in hand.  When I kicked it off, it actually bit through my boot. I was about 1/2 mile from the house and it was a pretty spooky deal. After so many years in coyote country, I have had other incidents with coyotes (lions too)!  If you treasure your pets, kennel them when they're not with you and make sure your kennels are chain linked or otherwise covered. It takes an 8' tall pen to keep a coyote in or out.  Lions, I don't know. 
8/6/2015 8:56:26 AM
Of Coyotes and DogsReply: Laurie
Michelle, along that line, a few years back a pack of coyotes were witnessed to take down a Doberman off of Via Liago.  Very sad - the people there weren't close enough to chase off the coyotes until it was too late.
8/5/2015 9:55:09 PM
Of Coyotes and dogsReply: Michelle Randall
I've lived in this area for more than 60 years now, and I've had plenty experience with Coyotes and dogs.  If you're one of those macho folks with macho dogs and you think one Coyote can't kill your dog, think again.  Many years ago, I was riding my horse across the plateau accompanied by a tough old Aussie dog and a year old pup.  We came up on a Coyote standing on a pile of dirt.  He looked us over and scratched dirt, as if he was covering something up.  I was young and foolish, and I thought he was pretty brazen, so I called my pup to heel and sic'd the old tough dog on the Coyote. The Coyote gauged the dog and stayed just about 5' ahead until the old dog tired and started back.  In a second the Coyote had turned, run up on the dog and jerked him down by a back leg. The dog, of course was furious, turned and resumed the chase.  When the dog tired and quit again, the Coyote once again whipped around and jerked the dog down by the same back leg.  The pattern would have continued (had I not been there) until the dog's tendon was gone.  I'm (much) older and wiser. My yard is fully fenced, but my dogs each have a covered kennel where I know they're safe at night or when I'm not around. 
8/5/2015 7:47:33 PM
Mountain lionReply: STEVE&TRACY
On April 30 of this year, my cat, Adella, was killed by a mountain lion. Besides some fur, extremely large paw prints were left near the attack area. She was never seen again. About 6 weeks later, I heard a strange sound outside. I caught a quick glimpse of a mountain lion running down the horse trails. This is in Gavilan Hills, on High Country and Olive and Lake Mathews. Please be very cautious and be protective of your animals. Wildlife was here first. We are in their territory. It's a beautiful area to live. We just have to take precautions.
8/5/2015 6:59:42 PM
Coyotes Reply: Karen
I've been reading the posts here and on Facebook but I haven't seen any updated info. I am very sorry for the family who lost their dogs. I live off of Lake Mathews before Gavilan and woke up to coyotes chasing and killing a dog in the field in front of my house . I yelled and clapped my hands .. They looked at me and took off with the dead dog. This was Sunday morning at about 6 am. I watched at least 20 coyotes or more run by. A few days later I took my kids on a ride and there was a very big coyote in the field. When I stopped it stopped and it looked right at us sniffing the air . It wasn't scared , didn't run off . There are a bunch of articles online right now about coyotes killing pets and biting toddlers in Orange County. I'm sure city coyotes are more domesticated but I think everyone should keep an eye out for these guys.
8/5/2015 5:46:22 PM
Missing dogsReply: Laurie
Do we know if someone witnessed a mountain lion getting he dogs? I heard from from someone who saw about 6 coyotes eating a dog near Cajalco and Archer, within the past few days. We live in a rural area with some wildlife, and it's never a bad idea to keep pets, smaller livestock and fowl, and small children indoors during the early morning and dusk/early evening hours, which are prime hunting hours for big cats, coyotes, hawks and more.
8/4/2015 8:02:39 PM
Mountain LionReply: JB
Hmmmm.  ok  ... saying extra prayers that this is NOT true and that everyone and their pets will be safe
8/4/2015 6:22:47 PM
Mountain Lion attack on dogsReply: cinder465
I heard via "grapevine" so not trusted to be accurate that the location was on Gavilan and Pfeifer Way. Not sure if it is true..pretty close to Cajalco .
8/4/2015 5:37:38 PM
MORE INFO PLEASE!!Reply: JB
I sure hope we can get more information soon.    I have a homeless son who wanders these hills !!  This kind of news is terrifying. 


8/4/2015 3:38:41 PM
Mountain LionReply: Elizabeth
What is the approximate location where the dogs disappeared from? 
8/4/2015 10:58:57 AM
Mountain LionPost: Maven
Neighbors on the "Nextdoor" app are reporting that a mountain lion took two dogs last night or yesterday. Not sure what time or exactly where, just our area. So, heads up.
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